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	<title>Comments on: According to Judaism, are Unitarian Christians, JWs etc (reject the divinity of Jesus) considered Noachide?</title>
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		<title>By: Maci A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maci A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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I was raised a JW.  Yes, they would meet the definition of Noachides.

The only possible problem would be the &quot;meat torn from a living animal.&quot;  Not that they go out and seek such meats, of course, but since they usually rely on government certification to ensure that they are eating things within their guidelines, things may slip through now and again.

I don&#039;t know much about the Unitarians, but they probably meet the definition as well.

I take the minority view that Christians who believe that Jesus is God are not Noachides.</description>
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<p>I was raised a JW.  Yes, they would meet the definition of Noachides.</p>
<p>The only possible problem would be the &#8220;meat torn from a living animal.&#8221;  Not that they go out and seek such meats, of course, but since they usually rely on government certification to ensure that they are eating things within their guidelines, things may slip through now and again.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know much about the Unitarians, but they probably meet the definition as well.</p>
<p>I take the minority view that Christians who believe that Jesus is God are not Noachides.</p>
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		<title>By: allonyoav</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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As long as somebodu adheres to the 7 laws of Bnei Noiach, they would be considered a Ger Toshav (resident non-Jew) in the days of the Temple and thus a Noachide.  How the modern Naochide groups that have sprung up define membership, you would need to ask them.  Find a local group and ask, they may have their own requirements and these may even vary between different groups of Nachides.

Note:  Genetics is irrelevant in determining whether someone is Jewish or not.  Unless your maternal line is Jewish, you are not Jewish.  Since you would trace any Jewish family lines through your paternal line, you would not be Jewish under Jewish law.

Note2:  Turkish_Tea- the Kabbalah centre is a cult, and a dangerous one at that!  Red bracelets and charms are meaningless in real Kabbalah and serve just to make money for the Berg&#039;s. Phillip Berg does not have smichah (Rabbinical ordination), he was never a seniour student of R&#039; Ashlag, even his PHD is from a mail order site!  get out while you can.</description>
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<p>As long as somebodu adheres to the 7 laws of Bnei Noiach, they would be considered a Ger Toshav (resident non-Jew) in the days of the Temple and thus a Noachide.  How the modern Naochide groups that have sprung up define membership, you would need to ask them.  Find a local group and ask, they may have their own requirements and these may even vary between different groups of Nachides.</p>
<p>Note:  Genetics is irrelevant in determining whether someone is Jewish or not.  Unless your maternal line is Jewish, you are not Jewish.  Since you would trace any Jewish family lines through your paternal line, you would not be Jewish under Jewish law.</p>
<p>Note2:  Turkish_Tea- the Kabbalah centre is a cult, and a dangerous one at that!  Red bracelets and charms are meaningless in real Kabbalah and serve just to make money for the Berg&#8217;s. Phillip Berg does not have smichah (Rabbinical ordination), he was never a seniour student of R&#8217; Ashlag, even his PHD is from a mail order site!  get out while you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Cher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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Noahide are 7 laws identified from the convenant with Noah.  You can follow those laws autmoatically as part of yoru life already.  Or you can follow them by conscious choice.  For that there are some groups, is one.

The laws read like a subset of the 10 commandments &amp; most people follow them being modern.  Don&#039;t murder, don&#039;t eat live flesh off an animal&#039;s leg, etc..

The only one in question tends to be the first about not doing idolatry.  While it&#039;s idolatry for a Jew to worship Jesus because he&#039;s an intermediaty to God, it is determined by Jewish arguments that it is NOT idolatry for a Chrsitan to because they are worshiping God himself as well.  As an Indian, I have no idea your relationship to God.  However, for Hindism with the Brahma concept so similar to the Jewish God concept &amp; the subGod concepts part of that one energy, it probably fits too.  Hindism being so diverse makes this a very big generalization.  (Edit:  Obviously I missed the JV &amp; Unitarian point of the question...)

Something to keep in mind is that while it&#039;s said that being a Noahide ensures a peace in the world to come...it does not mean that not being a Noahide prevents one.  We assume it&#039;s based on action &amp; who you are.  The world to come is the messanic age of wonderfulness, not afterlife.  (Though sometimes it does refer to that.)  Never mind though - afterlife isn&#039;t a focus in Judaism so the ideas aren&#039;t as concrete as they are in other religions.

Something else ot keep in mind is that the text they are based on is pretty vague.  There&#039;s judgement used to determine them.  I&#039;ve seen variation in how they are derived.  So, if you find something you don&#039;t like, it may be expressed a little differently elsewhere.  

I&#039;ve starred.  There are others with a good list of them ready to post.</description>
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<p>Noahide are 7 laws identified from the convenant with Noah.  You can follow those laws autmoatically as part of yoru life already.  Or you can follow them by conscious choice.  For that there are some groups, is one.</p>
<p>The laws read like a subset of the 10 commandments &#038; most people follow them being modern.  Don&#8217;t murder, don&#8217;t eat live flesh off an animal&#8217;s leg, etc..</p>
<p>The only one in question tends to be the first about not doing idolatry.  While it&#8217;s idolatry for a Jew to worship Jesus because he&#8217;s an intermediaty to God, it is determined by Jewish arguments that it is NOT idolatry for a Chrsitan to because they are worshiping God himself as well.  As an Indian, I have no idea your relationship to God.  However, for Hindism with the Brahma concept so similar to the Jewish God concept &#038; the subGod concepts part of that one energy, it probably fits too.  Hindism being so diverse makes this a very big generalization.  (Edit:  Obviously I missed the JV &#038; Unitarian point of the question&#8230;)</p>
<p>Something to keep in mind is that while it&#8217;s said that being a Noahide ensures a peace in the world to come&#8230;it does not mean that not being a Noahide prevents one.  We assume it&#8217;s based on action &#038; who you are.  The world to come is the messanic age of wonderfulness, not afterlife.  (Though sometimes it does refer to that.)  Never mind though &#8211; afterlife isn&#8217;t a focus in Judaism so the ideas aren&#8217;t as concrete as they are in other religions.</p>
<p>Something else ot keep in mind is that the text they are based on is pretty vague.  There&#8217;s judgement used to determine them.  I&#8217;ve seen variation in how they are derived.  So, if you find something you don&#8217;t like, it may be expressed a little differently elsewhere.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve starred.  There are others with a good list of them ready to post.</p>
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		<title>By: turkish_tea61</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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Do a search on Noahide. There are some online groups.
Some Noahide&#039;s attend Jewish synagoges.
My cousin is one, doesn&#039;t make a big deal of it, but attends a Kabbalah center, in New York( Yep, the same one as Madonna).
I have read about 5 books on Kabbalah, often wear my red string, and have the greatest respect for Noahide&#039;s and Kabbalist&#039;s.

Ya know, your DNA thing does not surprise me, I remember being told when I was young, by my father, that some Indian&#039;s are&quot; the lost tribes&#039; of Isreal or something like that.
COOL yo!</description>
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<p>Do a search on Noahide. There are some online groups.<br />
Some Noahide&#8217;s attend Jewish synagoges.<br />
My cousin is one, doesn&#8217;t make a big deal of it, but attends a Kabbalah center, in New York( Yep, the same one as Madonna).<br />
I have read about 5 books on Kabbalah, often wear my red string, and have the greatest respect for Noahide&#8217;s and Kabbalist&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Ya know, your DNA thing does not surprise me, I remember being told when I was young, by my father, that some Indian&#8217;s are&#8221; the lost tribes&#8217; of Isreal or something like that.<br />
COOL yo!</p>
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		<title>By: Going Forward</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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Wow, I&#039;m not sure if I understand your question.

We all come from Noah after the flood.  Our DNA (genes) are of the HUMAN kind and each race was formed by segregating itself for generations thus producing a defined race, appearance and culture.

God put race distinction into our genes from the start of humanity ( Adam and Eve) all we had to do is isolate it to get the variations of people.</description>
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<p>Wow, I&#8217;m not sure if I understand your question.</p>
<p>We all come from Noah after the flood.  Our DNA (genes) are of the HUMAN kind and each race was formed by segregating itself for generations thus producing a defined race, appearance and culture.</p>
<p>God put race distinction into our genes from the start of humanity ( Adam and Eve) all we had to do is isolate it to get the variations of people.</p>
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		<title>By: La Nokta Besto</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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It sounds to me like you already are Jewish, if the genetics checks out, but to be a Jew you&#039;d have to convert. It&#039;s that simple. Those other groups aren&#039;t Jewish.</description>
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<p>It sounds to me like you already are Jewish, if the genetics checks out, but to be a Jew you&#8217;d have to convert. It&#8217;s that simple. Those other groups aren&#8217;t Jewish.</p>
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